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Bucket Phone Number For Avoiding Telepests

Discussion in 'Telepests' started by Top Cat, Jun 14, 2015.

  1. Top Cat

    Top Cat Administrator Staff Member

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    This is a particularly interesting announcement from trueCall:

     
  2. Buzby

    Buzby Member

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    i use and welcome it, but not just for pests - just as I have a bucket email address, this initiative is a valuable addition to our armoury.


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  3. Ian022

    Ian022 New Member

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    Some 'clever' online forms reject the number as being 'too long'.

    In this case, simply omit the final '8'.
     
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  4. Buzby

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    So any benefit to using the number is lost. What's 'clever' about that? The real benefit in using the 8888 is that genuine callers are told you want contacted by a different method. Missing the last 8 does nothing, and you might as well use 01234 567890 for all the good it will do!


    - Raymond
     
  5. Top Cat

    Top Cat Administrator Staff Member

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    Try it. It still works.
     
  6. Buzby

    Buzby Member

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    For you? Wonderful. The fact is it is up to EACH and EVERY telco to enable or restrict valid and invalid number ranges. Since the numbers are treated as a whole (not dialled digit by digit) whether a number is valid is determined by two factors - the telco providing the line (or service) and the one offering to connect you.

    The 'spurious 8' may well be just that - who knows? But if the call completes without it, then the issue is why an extra digit to complicate things, rather than getting the number to 'fit' !


    - Raymond
     
  7. Ian022

    Ian022 New Member

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    The real number of the service is 0333 888 8888 with three 3s and seven 8s.

    To make the branding simpler, the creator has pretended the number has three 3s and eight 8s, but 'clever' web forms asking for your contact details will reject the number 0333 8888 8888 as being too long - because it is.

    It's a shame that 0333 777 7777, with three 3s and seven 7s, wasn't available as that would have worked without any such complication.
     
  8. Top Cat

    Top Cat Administrator Staff Member

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    Not you then? I don't understand why that might be.
     
  9. Buzby

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    Because of the reasons outlined in the first paragraph. Why do you assume that just because it works for you, it will work for all? That might have been the case 20 years ago but not today.


    - Raymond
     
  10. Top Cat

    Top Cat Administrator Staff Member

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    Hang on.

    Is it not the case that dialling numbers subsequent to the completion of a recognised number is irrelevant? So, for example, if I were to dial a local number that happened to be 123456, and dialled 1234567 instead, it would still connect to 123456?

    If we agree that 0333 8888 8888 does not conform to the normal standard for phone numbers, then all that is happening is trueCall have registered 0333 888 8888, and to make it trip off the tongue have advertised it as 0333 8888 8888. The last 8 is superfluous.

    I see no reason to get indignant about it. Have you really tried it, or are you (like the ancient Greeks) presuming you know the answer?
     
  11. Buzby

    Buzby Member

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    Don't know why this was treated as spam - hence the delay in knowing of your reply. There's no indignance, just despair at the expectation that what worked for you is the status quotation affects everyone.

    Your suggestion that additional digits are simply ignored is quaint - BT still adopt this method on non-2CN connections, but Mercury (C&W) did not -as they evaluate the whole number dialled before passing the call on for delivery - a direct result of network gateways charging when the call is passed to them - indeed, the answer/charge cost is initiated at this point. If a false number there is no call duration element but the call set up fee remains. Networks that process the complete number input verify validity first then take the DTMF entered and convert to C7 signalling. By blocking an invalid number at the DTMF stage saves them money.
     
  12. Ian022

    Ian022 New Member

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    Other numbers that would fit the criterion could be:

    TrueCall37 (0333 777 7777)
    TrueCall361 (0333 666666 1)
    TrueCall352 (0333 55555 22)
    TrueCall343 (0333 4444 333)
    TrueCall334 (0333 333 4444)
    TrueCall325 (0333 22 55555)
    TrueCall316 (0333 1 666666)
     
  13. Top Cat

    Top Cat Administrator Staff Member

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    By "this", do you mean an email from the forum alerting you to additional posts in your watched topics? Nothing we can do about that!
     
  14. Ian022

    Ian022 New Member

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    Other numbers that would fit the criterion could be:

    TrueCall3124 (0333 1 22 4444)
    TrueCall3142 (0333 1 4444 22)
    TrueCall3214 (0333 22 1 4444)
    TrueCall3241 (0333 22 4444 1)
    TrueCall3412 (0333 4444 1 22)
    TrueCall3421 (0333 4444 22 1)

    TrueCall3133 (0333 1 333 333)
    TrueCall3313 (0333 333 1 333)
    TrueCall3331 (0333 333 333 1)

    TrueCall3223 (0333 22 22 333)
    TrueCall3232 (0333 22 333 22)
    TrueCall3322 (0333 333 22 22)

    All of these avoid the issue with 0333 8888 8888 versus 0333 888 8888.
     
  15. Top Cat

    Top Cat Administrator Staff Member

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    The only one of those that really works is 37, but maybe that wasn't available.
     

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